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Semi-confirmation of a suspicion 
2nd-Mar-2009 10:02 pm
So, a while back I found some information that suggested that maybe - maybe - one of my great*n grandparents was a plantation slave.

Recently, someone in the US researching the same people contacted me, and said "yeah, that's pretty likely, and here is the source information", which was the Will of John Packwood Jennings from 1823:

Secondly, the Girl Margaret the property of Testator to be made free.
and further requesting and making it his particular and last desire to his
 above mentioned Brother and Sister John & Anne Murray that they do take 
into their charge and [house] and bringing up in whatever manner they may 
think fit [also] the Testator's two Children John and Eliza (children of 
the Girl Betsey) having the most confidence and reliance in their kindness
 in this Business and to that they will will do for them the said Children
 in the manner as he the Testator would do himself. 

The turn of phrase in the first excerpt (clearly talking about freeing a slave) then being used in the second one strongly suggests to me that Betsey was also a plantation slave. Its not certain whether she was directly African, or maybe mulatto or amerindian or a mix of all. I'd love to try and find a matrilineal descendant, but I'm ruled out (male descendant straight off), and it seems that Eliza's female children either had cut short lives, or had no children. So it probably not possible (that being said, anyone who is related to William Grant & Eliza Jennings from Newcastle, NSW around 1850-1870, let me know :-)).

I am wondering about the last part of the second excerpt too - it seems strangely emphatic that he wanted his sister & brother in law to be nice to his kids. I wonder how much they stood out, especially once they were back in Scotland.
5th-Aug-2009 01:44 pm (UTC) - William Grant & Eliza Jennings
I am related to William Grant. William Grant was first married to Mary Stewart (that's my line) and then married Eliza Jennings. I just came across the will of John Packwood Jennings, myself. I am very excited. All I had were family rumors about Eliza's history and a few documents that linked her to a father named John Jennings and a mother named Eliza (now Bestey).

Alexander Authur Grant is a direct line to Eliza and has a lot of family stories about the Jennings history. He lives in Pymble and would love to hear form any distant relatives. I also distinctly remember him saying that Eliza had dark hair and eyes. I may be mistaken, but it would make sense, suspecting her mother's history.

5th-Aug-2009 11:09 pm (UTC) - Re: William Grant & Eliza Jennings
Hi Stephanie :) I've seen your information on ancestry.com I think. I was also a bit surprised about the whole 'Demerara' thing given it all seemed to be from Scotland :)

I would love to be in contact with anyone Jennings - my email is eccles@arsimagica.net, feel free to pass it on, or email for other contact info :)

In an ideal world, I'd love to find one of Eliza's matrilineal descendants and see if they would be up for a DNA test to see if its possible to see where Betsey came from (she could have been any one of about 4 origins), but from all I've been able to find Eliza had few female children and most of them died young.
6th-Aug-2009 12:10 am (UTC) - Re: William Grant & Eliza Jennings
Okay, I sent Alexander and Nora your email, but they are not the email savvy types :-)

I sent them a copy of John Packwoods will; John Jennings marriage certificate to Catherine Naylor; and John Jennings death certificate. They are going to be really excited.

The minute I saw the will, I thought the same thing to….DNA is the only way. I have done very little in the area of Caribbean genealogy. I am thinking there has to be some slave records somewhere to access. This is where I think we will find a little more information.

BTW-have you come across in your research any information on Robina Mary Jennings? I came across a few news articles on a Mary Robina Jennings who was attacked by her husband. It was a bit wild.

Let me know if you need any documents. Here is Alexander’s Address (he would prefer to write. Nora does the emailing)…

A.A. Grant
Unit 101
5/9 Everton Street
Pymble, NSW 2073


6th-Aug-2009 10:20 pm (UTC) - Re: William Grant & Eliza Jennings
:-) I was wondering about email - its not a given amongst some of the older generation.

Have you spoken to Karen Arp? She has a neat translation of the handwriting :) I also have some of the information about John & Catherine's kids being put into the Orphanage.

I left some messages on a Guyana genealogy site with contact info, but I'm not confident of finding much more in that area.

Yeah, I've had trouble finding anything about Robina. There weren't any removal records for her in the Melbourne Orphanage, and I find two marriages in quick succession. I haven't had the spare resources to get the certificates for them. I don't think its the same person as Mary Robina, but...

I am happy to collect extra documentation - I've got some bits and pieces that I am happy to swap too. Feel free to email me directly and I'll point you at them.

Thanks for the contact :-) I am always happy to run into relatives - the photo of Francis Naylor Jennings on one of the newer posts I made came from my dad's cousin who happened to find a photo of him amidst her mother's documents years ago.
11th-Feb-2011 01:03 pm (UTC) - william and eliza grant of newcastle
William and Eliza's daughter, Isabella HRSG Grant, m. William Henry Seymour in 1869 Newcastle. William was born in Honduras and was of Spanish Negro descent
12th-Feb-2011 03:07 am (UTC) - Re: william and eliza grant of newcastle
Ah! :) That's kinda awesome too. Are you a relation?

Do you know if they had any daughters?
13th-Feb-2011 11:29 am (UTC) - Re: william and eliza grant of newcastle
Hi aeduna,
YES and yes. My name is julie and Eliza had a daughter Isabella who married Mr Seymour, but before marriage, she had a daughter, who is my great grandmother. A couple of my grandmothers siblings had olive skin, but one sister had olive skin and dark eyes, and One of her daughters also is dark. Mum always wondered why.. I have recently re begun the family history and was very excited about the Jennings info. Any chance of a copy of the will??
13th-Feb-2011 08:31 pm (UTC) - Re: william and eliza grant of newcastle
Neat! I have one photo of Francis Naylor Jennings, who was Eliza's newphew and my great great grandfather, but its not possible to get an idea of complexion :) I am pale with a red beard, so there's not much of the caribbean left down my chain.

Is it a matrilineal chain down to you? Is Eliza your maternal great great grandmother all the way along?

re: will - Absolutely :) If you want to email me at eccles@arsimagica.net or aeduna@gmail.com I am happy to share a number of documents.

ps: my name is Damien :)

Edited at 2011-02-13 08:32 pm (UTC)
9th-Mar-2012 01:03 pm (UTC) - Re: william and eliza grant of newcastle
Hello! I am also a descendant, From Alexander Dunlop. Would be happy to hear from anyone.

18th-May-2014 10:32 am (UTC) - Re: william and eliza grant of newcastle
Hi Julie my name is Pam from Newcastle NSW. Isabella's daughter was my great grandmother also. Her name was Evangeline
18th-May-2014 09:55 pm (UTC) - Re: william and eliza grant of newcastle
Hi Pam :)

People on the Eliza's side seem a lot more active, I haven't met too many people that are descended from John that are hunting around. Since 2011, we managed to confirm that Betsey, and thus Eliza possessed a mtdna haplotype that originated from Sub-Saharan Africa. This pretty much confirms the paper trail.

10th-Jun-2012 11:08 am (UTC) - Eliza's Descendants
Hey Folks,

So Eliza also had a daughter Janet Mitchell Grant who married James Galleghan. One of their sons Alexander Dunlop Galleghan (senior) was my great Grandfather. Interestingly, James Galleghan was born in Barbados and was of ?mixed african descent. So my grandfather (Alexander D junior) was of quite mixed descent and married my grandmother whose father was from St Croix (Virgin Islands).
In our family (we live in sydney and I grew up in Normanhurst...quite close to Pymble) my mum has a pretty solid afro and most people have olive skin and dark curly hair... it has been pretty interesting working all this out for us!!


any further info or comments would be appreciated! (annabelralph@gmail.com)

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